tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post7074783257045270615..comments2024-03-27T08:37:26.489-04:00Comments on Not Another Episcopal Church Blog: Here I StandUndergroundpewsterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-33625941153968428912009-12-14T11:19:08.019-05:002009-12-14T11:19:08.019-05:00Jessica,
Smug? No.
Confident that the three rev...Jessica,<br /><br />Smug? No. <br /><br />Confident that the three revisionist priests in the running for bishop are revisionists? Yes.<br /><br />A loving response to these gentlemen is to show them the error of their ways and lead them back to the way that they were sworn to defend, uphold, and spread to the world. <br /><br />Sitting smugly? No.<br /><br />Sitting in fear and trembling? Yes.Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-60410842117498088612009-12-14T07:41:26.546-05:002009-12-14T07:41:26.546-05:00RE: "You prayed "not ours, but Thy will ...RE: "You prayed "not ours, but Thy will be done", yet you don't seem to trust that that is indeed what happened."<br /><br />Not certain what Jessica means by this. Of course, it has often been the case that God's will involves judgement on the people. So I'm perfectly willing to trust that God's will was done.<br /><br />So while certainly the clergy and lay leaders of the diocese have chosen a revisionist as bishop, I would speculate that that indicates God's choice of judgement on our diocese.<br /><br />I hate it -- after all, I'm in the diocese myself. But the clergy and lay leaders made a choice that will lead to very sad consequences for all of us -- further radically declining parishes, dying parishes, another 10 to 15% loss in ASA in the coming years, and on and on.<br /><br />They've taken -- as the people of New Hampshire did and the Episcopal Church's General Convention of 2003 did -- a *massive risk* that the laity won't particularly protest or mind so much.<br /><br />Certainly the New Hampshire choice did not prove an accurate assessment of risk, either for the diocese or for the national church. Remember when it was "all going to die down by Christmas"?<br /><br />Well, it's now six Christmases later and far from dying down it's intensified and spread, with a seeming unending stream of departures, as well as people like me within TEC raising a ruckus. And that will only continue.<br /><br />So I expect that in the case of Upper South Carolina the clergy and lay leaders' risk assessment won't prove very accurate either.<br /><br />But we'll see five years down the road what has happened to ASA and giving. It will certainly be an interesting decade or more with Waldo as the bishop of Upper SC.<br /><br /><br />SarahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-66538679075179919772009-12-13T00:52:32.047-05:002009-12-13T00:52:32.047-05:00Strange. You prayed "not ours, but Thy will b...Strange. You prayed "not ours, but Thy will be done", yet you don't seem to trust that that is indeed what happened. That, or that it is God's will that you be "led into captivity". That seems less strange than sad to me. You know, I don't mind that you hold different opinions from me on several important and controversial issues. What does bother me is the apparent smugness of some of your posts, as if you assume that, naturally, God (in his infinite masculine wisdom) agrees with you on these subjects, and that you are a lone champion defending God's interests. I know it is not your intent, but there's an arrogance in your posturing that makes it difficult to take you seriously. I agree with a previous poster that our life of faith is not about being "right". It seems to me that it's more about participating in divine love. Please make room for the possibility that the elected bishop, and others that don't agree with you, are participating in that love as sincerely and earnestly as they know how. I trust that that is certainly the case with you.Jessicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06650467201636311297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-60007397870870035712009-12-12T18:59:30.462-05:002009-12-12T18:59:30.462-05:00The die was cast on the first (invalidated) ballot...The die was cast on the first (invalidated) ballot. Where's Waldo? Upper South Carolina, that's where. We are to be led into captivity. Lord deliver us.Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-22700433199541566612009-12-12T14:02:05.716-05:002009-12-12T14:02:05.716-05:00Just shy of 2 pm your time. Kendall Harmon has th...Just shy of 2 pm your time. Kendall Harmon has the #s up - Waldo showing best.<br /><br />Even if all three orthodox guys got their clergy votes behind one of them, there would not be enough to elect.<br /><br />Sorry. I know you put in serious effort on this and it is not looking good at this point.TLF+https://www.blogger.com/profile/01650010433581488888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-17071345074354606412009-12-12T13:23:39.436-05:002009-12-12T13:23:39.436-05:00Anon, I speak but for myself, when I say, God'...Anon, I speak but for myself, when I say, God's Word forms the basis of my Belief, and you are correct that it is personal. Your implied conclusion, however, that because Belief is personal and not collective, that all such Beliefs no matter how disparate are "correct," is not a valid conclusion. Neither is the implied conclusion that all Religious practice is irrelevant because it is "Man-made." Religious practice may be correct or incorrect, depending upon whether it is predicated on Truth. This gets back to the original question: "Is the Bible a)God's Holy Word and therefore b)The Truth. One's answer to that basic question determines one's viewpoint on everything else.<br /><br />Regards.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-26744193475607905142009-12-12T07:22:21.601-05:002009-12-12T07:22:21.601-05:00Thank you Rob Eaton+,
Lord, we humble ourselves ...Thank you Rob Eaton+, <br /><br />Lord, we humble ourselves before Thee that, not ours, but Thy will be done.Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-86558542681571345842009-12-12T03:07:23.956-05:002009-12-12T03:07:23.956-05:00Visit the electing convention of Upper South Carol...Visit the electing convention of Upper South Carolina, O Lord, and drive far from it all snares of the enemy; let your holy angels dwell with them to preserve them in peace; and let your blessing, in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, be upon them and their decision always; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-86534432335020549032009-12-11T20:30:02.724-05:002009-12-11T20:30:02.724-05:00So much for the epistle of James...So much for the epistle of James...Chuck Hickshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01929470338280066656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-13551565007678641262009-12-11T18:18:53.633-05:002009-12-11T18:18:53.633-05:00I believe whatever vote the pewster casts will be ...I believe whatever vote the pewster casts will be a good oneRobert+https://www.blogger.com/profile/02740126968780196649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-38090472212310428602009-12-11T16:24:53.222-05:002009-12-11T16:24:53.222-05:00You guys just don't have a clue - it is not ab...You guys just don't have a clue - it is not about Religion - it is about Belief - Belief is personal - Religion is man made! <br /><br />Try focusing more on Belief than Religion!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-45585095557618398382009-12-11T13:52:30.987-05:002009-12-11T13:52:30.987-05:00Thanks Chuck and Randall!Thanks Chuck and Randall!Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-80087002509165657142009-12-11T13:27:58.915-05:002009-12-11T13:27:58.915-05:00UP, it is amusing --tragic, mind you, but amusing ...UP, it is amusing --tragic, mind you, but amusing nonetheless-- to read comments like those of Anon above. Why amusing, you ask? Simply, Anon's comment and benediction to you provides immediate evidence of the failure to heed Christ's last injunction to Thyatira: <br /><br /><i>Let anyone who has an ear listen to what the Spirit is saying to the churches.</i><br /><br />Irony, thy name is "Anonymous."<br /><br />My prayers for you and those with ears in Upper South Carolina today, my friend.<br /><br />Cheers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-26655517218426205772009-12-11T11:18:33.864-05:002009-12-11T11:18:33.864-05:00"My Catholic friends tell me that this is the..."My Catholic friends tell me that this is the natural consequence of the Protestant Reformation. Protestant friends tell me this is the consequence of post reformation modernism and post modernism."<br /><br />And where were either of them when the Lord spoke to the Seven Churches?<br /><br /><i>"And he who overcomes and keeps my works until the end..."</i> <br /><br />Keep on keeping on, UP.Chuck Hickshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01929470338280066656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-30650785392728987662009-12-11T11:17:03.756-05:002009-12-11T11:17:03.756-05:00Heh.
Let's re-phrase.
"If you are not p...Heh.<br /><br />Let's re-phrase.<br /><br />"If you are not proud of Us -[the revisionist activists in The Episcopal Church] - then leave us alone! Pewster - it is time you took your toys and went home."<br /><br />Please leave, Pewster. We can do without any conservatives in The Episcopal Church. Because you guys make us Really Really Mad. It's a lot harder to be As Liberal As We Wanna Be with your lot still here.<br /><br /><br />Lovingly and Inclusively,<br /><br />The Moderate CentristAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-18503651172795863402009-12-11T10:56:47.953-05:002009-12-11T10:56:47.953-05:00Anonimouse #1,
Once again you demonstrate your ab...Anonimouse #1,<br /><br />Once again you demonstrate your abject lack of love and inclusivity.<br /><br />I am proud to represent you.Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-44349083014862903272009-12-11T10:49:07.293-05:002009-12-11T10:49:07.293-05:00"When will I again be able to use a capital &..."When will I again be able to use a capital "C" in describing this denomination. "<br /><br />Maybe it is time you had a prayerful conversation with yourself. If you are not proud of Us -The Episcopal Church - then leave us alone! Pewster - it is time you took your toys and went home. <br /><br />I am sad that you are voting tomorrow - your vote will not reflect what I would like to see in our next Bishop.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com