tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post722344579349791616..comments2024-03-27T08:37:26.489-04:00Comments on Not Another Episcopal Church Blog: When the Bread From Heaven Hits the FloorUndergroundpewsterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-2400887829513261592015-08-13T19:32:07.248-04:002015-08-13T19:32:07.248-04:00Forgot to add that John 6, which includes the afte...Forgot to add that John 6, which includes the aftermath of the feeding of the five thousand, is one of my favourites. <br /><br />26 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you are seeking me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves.<br /><br />53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like the bread the fathers ate and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” <br /><br />60 When many of his disciples heard it, they said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?”<br /><br />66 After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him.<br /><br />Enough said.<br /><br />ChurchmouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-6349241119067329142015-08-13T19:25:39.625-04:002015-08-13T19:25:39.625-04:00I can see both points of view from Mr Jordan and +...I can see both points of view from Mr Jordan and +Matson.<br /><br />However, may TEC and Anglican churches never step on a wafer with the True Presence in a divine form and crush it. May they pick it up with reverence. <br /><br />Catholic priests and altar boys once used handkerchiefs dedicated for that purpose. I saw it once at Mass, with an elderly communicant many years ago. The communicant was clearly devastated by the mishap.<br /><br />Desecration was unthinkable, especially when I first received the Sacrament (as a Catholic in the mid-1960s, Anglican now). I was shocked to read what is happening today in this regard. Thank you, Pewster.<br /><br />ChurchmouseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-59687030497361145092015-08-11T18:39:46.664-04:002015-08-11T18:39:46.664-04:00Robin,
Thanks once again for your "reformed&q...Robin,<br />Thanks once again for your "reformed" perspective.<br />"and may add" "Take them in remembrance that Christ died for you, and feed on him in your hearts by faith,<br />with thanksgiving." As an Anglo Catholic, I do not add this phrase. Earlier in Rite I it states, "... we, and all<br />others who shall be partakers of this Holy Communion, may worthily receive the most precious Body and Blood of thy Son Jesus Christ....Him". If you are not persuaded by St. John Chapter 6 and the historical faith of the Universal Church you will not be persuaded. Fortunately there is more than one strand of Anglicanism in the minds of most Anglicans.Dale Matsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12975212053636312471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-76968041129308718252015-08-10T20:44:27.761-04:002015-08-10T20:44:27.761-04:00The phrase is "epiousios artos," in the ...The phrase is "epiousios artos," in the Greek, means the bread of our necessity, the bread that suffices for each day. The priest in question I would hazard was reading a meaning into the phrase that could not be read out of it, allegorizing. <br /><br />After Jesus gave the cup of wine to his disciples describing it as "mou haima kainos diathēkē," my blood of the new testament, he went on to describe it as"gennēma ampelos," fruit of the vine, in other words, wine. For this reason the English Reformers concluded that no change occurred in the bread and wine at consecration nor was anything added to the bread and wine. The bread and wine remained bread and wine. Feeding upon Christ was a spiritual operation. When we eat the bread and drink the cup, we by faith feed on Christ in our hearts. What links us to Christ is not the bread and wine but the Holy Spirit. Faith is the means by which we appropriate the benefits of his saving work on the cross, his Body and Blood. This is why the Thirty-Nine Articles maintains that those who lack a vital faith receive no benefit from receiving the communion elements. It is also the reason why the epiclesis of the 1552-1662 Prayer of Consecration asks that those receiving the bread and wine may be partakers of Christ's Body and Blood.<br /><br />The "Bread of Life" discourse pre-dates the Last Supper and was not a reference to the Eucharist. Jesus is speaking about faith.Robin G. Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09511384478845569163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-81456331631532867602015-08-10T13:14:14.918-04:002015-08-10T13:14:14.918-04:00I guess it all depends on how one translates "...I guess it all depends on how one translates "epiousios" which one priest described to me as something from above not "daily bread." Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-8372052868284107772015-08-09T22:05:43.556-04:002015-08-09T22:05:43.556-04:00When Luther explained the Lord's Prayer in his...When Luther explained the Lord's Prayer in his Catechism, he said our daily bread was God providing for our earthly needs like manservants and oxen etc. I believe it is more than that. Christ Himself is our daily bread. The tree of life in the Garden was a type of Christ. Dale Matsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12975212053636312471noreply@blogger.com