tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post8058516334915009754..comments2024-03-27T08:37:26.489-04:00Comments on Not Another Episcopal Church Blog: What Do Episcopalians Believe? No... What Do They Really, Really, All of Them, Believe?Undergroundpewsterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-60997664101017908252013-02-21T18:49:16.695-05:002013-02-21T18:49:16.695-05:00Thanks Dale,
If TEc would actually sit down and ...Thanks Dale, <br /><br />If TEc would actually sit down and spell out 1.) Why are we here?<br />2.) What do we believe?<br />3.) What are we going to do about it?<br />then that would be a good start. Next would be to have concrete theology behind to support answer.<br />Since I don't think the answers will ever be agreed upon or clearly articulated, there really is no need for the "Finally write it down, post it on billboards, preach it from the pulpit and see what happens."Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-42373824956835725472013-02-21T17:29:32.612-05:002013-02-21T17:29:32.612-05:00UGP,
After more thought on your thought provoking ...UGP,<br />After more thought on your thought provoking piece, I posted a more fleshed out version of my comments.http://sanjoaquinsoundings.blogspot.com/2013/02/a-consultants-advice-for-episcopal.htmlDale Matsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12975212053636312471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-68511078602531805172013-02-21T15:36:35.732-05:002013-02-21T15:36:35.732-05:00http://www.episcopalchurch.org/page/i-am-episcopal...http://www.episcopalchurch.org/page/i-am-episcopalian<br />I think this 'random' sample of TEC folks better typifies TEC than the core doctrine that is no longer needed. The core doctrine could all be put into the historical documents section of the next prayer book.<br />One problem for TEC is that in an effort to be relevant in a contemporary society, it is chasing the social trends in an effort to embrace and include them and can't keep up. That is why the theology, while mushy is of necessity more malleable. TEC really does need new vision and mission statements. It could divest itself of the Anglican label with its attendant constraints and form its own world wide organization. It has already adopted the MDG of the United Nations. It thinks of itself as a global church but has forgotten that it has actually downsized. It used to be part of the cosmic church. I have no hard feeling toward TEC although we are under persecution from them. They have helped us to reassess our priorities. TEC does not need a task force on marriage as much as it needs a task force on organizational identity. If it does not do this it will not survive as an organization let alone a 'church'. Dale Matsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12975212053636312471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-20294717107618066822013-02-20T21:12:24.038-05:002013-02-20T21:12:24.038-05:00Your list is very funny, but I suspect that variat...Your list is very funny, but I suspect that variations of it could have been written at any point in our history. Anglicanism has never been made up of solely "true believers," especially when it was socially beneficial to be a member of PECUSA or the CofE. It's not the unbelief that's new, I think, but the fact that so many people are eager to tell you the nutty stuff they really believe. In the past people probably wouldn't have been so forthright as to tell you that they don't assent to basic Christian doctrine. Part of the problem may be the failure of Christian education at all levels - there are lots of Episcopalians these days who probably do not know enough about basic Christian doctrine as to be able to hypocritically affirm it. The Religious Pícarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03620636294081499041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-49798686744872631932013-02-20T17:53:03.663-05:002013-02-20T17:53:03.663-05:00Dale,
Yeah that section is soooo out of date tha...Dale, <br /><br />Yeah that section is soooo out of date that it is dangerous. Imagine that it still says, <br /><br />"Besides baptism and the Eucharist (Holy Communion), the church recognizes other spiritual markers in our journey of faith. These include:•Matrimony (Christian marriage), pp. 422-438, Book of Common Prayer"<br /><br />This published belief puts every single clergy person who espouses "marriage equality" in the cross hairs of a Title IV proceding.Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-57802871009310035422013-02-20T17:16:28.396-05:002013-02-20T17:16:28.396-05:00UGP,
I was on the TEC website recently (I forgot w...UGP,<br />I was on the TEC website recently (I forgot why) and found the "What We Believe" section. It seemed rather orthodox. It needs updating to conform to the current theology. It doesn't even have gender neutral language for the Trinity! It would be useful for the leadership to review it. (which reminds me of the song "The Way We Were". Blessings brother <br />http://www.episcopalchurch.org/Dale Matsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12975212053636312471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-64015836688783231212013-02-20T12:14:15.935-05:002013-02-20T12:14:15.935-05:00Anon 11:41,
Man, am I glad I didn't say anyth...Anon 11:41,<br /><br />Man, am I glad I didn't say anything about the Filioque phrase...Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-3606124893929461242013-02-20T11:41:12.836-05:002013-02-20T11:41:12.836-05:00I hold the creeds as the core of my belief.... not...I hold the creeds as the core of my belief.... not just as an Episcopalian but as a Christian. <br /><br />I am able to read Borg without drinking his kool aide... just like I can read C.S. Lewis in the same open minded manner. I can read about Buda, Hinduism, Judaism, and even the tripe being served up in DSC without it changing what I believe in. I can love you and all of my fellow man... but no where in the Bible am I commanded to like everyone. <br /><br />May I suggest some time reflecting on the Lord's Prayer? You may be able to find peace in the words of the prayer that will allow you to co-exist with everyone who doesn't walk in lockstep with your way of thinking. <br /><br />....Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.........<br /><br />Look unto your own soul and please try to stop dictating to mine!<br /><br />(not Anon 10:49)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-69698971841647262692013-02-20T10:58:55.975-05:002013-02-20T10:58:55.975-05:00Anonymous 10:49,
Prayers ascending for ya'll ...Anonymous 10:49,<br /><br />Prayers ascending for ya'll in F.W. Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-55957727790090515962013-02-20T10:49:21.123-05:002013-02-20T10:49:21.123-05:00Episcobabble. That is awesome.
And I do like the...Episcobabble. That is awesome.<br /><br />And I do like the bit in your piece about pew position. I always get the same spot. <br /><br />Thanks for having the blog. I should probably get a name if I am going to continue to comment.<br /><br />BTW, I am a member of one of the churches in Ft Worth whose property is being considered in the Texas Supreme Court. I often think of 1 Corinthians 6 and what St Paul would have thought of our actions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-20971363112944072742013-02-20T10:35:16.126-05:002013-02-20T10:35:16.126-05:00Anon 10:05,
Nice try but, as one of our previous...Anon 10:05, <br /><br />Nice try but, as one of our previous rector's said when he posed this question to us, "Don't recite the creed. For the purpose of this exercise that is cheating, now tell me what you really really believe." <br /><br />I agree that an individual Episcopalian can really, really say "I believe..." in place of "We believe..." so bless you for that, but as long a Marcus Borg is a Canon Theologian and the P.B. can Episcobabble away the Resurrection, WE have a problem. Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107887.post-56565081671936203872013-02-20T10:05:16.376-05:002013-02-20T10:05:16.376-05:00We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
m...We believe in one God,<br />the Father, the Almighty,<br />maker of heaven and earth,<br />of all that is, seen and unseen.<br /><br />We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,<br />the only Son of God,<br />eternally begotten of the Father,<br />God from God, Light from Light,<br />true God from true God,<br />begotten, not made,<br />of one Being with the Father.<br />Through him all things were made.<br />For us and for our salvation<br />he came down from heaven:<br />by the power of the Holy Spirit<br />he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,<br />and was made man.<br />For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;<br />he suffered death and was buried.<br />On the third day he rose again<br />in accordance with the Scriptures;<br />he ascended into heaven<br />and is seated at the right hand of the Father.<br />He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,<br />and his kingdom will have no end.<br /><br />We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,<br />who proceeds from the Father and the Son.<br />With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.<br />He has spoken through the Prophets.<br />We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.<br />We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.<br />We look for the resurrection of the dead,<br />and the life of the world to come. Amen.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com